Guitar Refinishing
Guitar refinishing is one of the most exciting things we do at our shop. It is also the most frustrating and time consuming work that we do. Many a day RD has been heard crying out for mercy trying to remove the finish from some vintage piece that an old Hippy repairman has re-finished with some kind of THC resin. Sometime we have to start all over because the gold flake from the last ’59 Gold-top reissue Les Paul touch up just looks too good, and we have to match the factory’s so-so work. All in all though, when you restore or refinish an old or misused guitar back to it’s original look (or the aged equivalent), it gives you a sense of pride and accomplishment, as well as the gratitude of a client who can truly appreciate it.
There are two basic types of guitar finish, nitrocellulose lacquer (AKA: nitro or lacquer), and Polyurethane or one if its equivalents (AKA: poly). Lacquer offers a softer layer of protection, but allows the wood to “breathe” more, while poly has a harder glossier finish, but many players feel it “shells” the sound of the wood, dampening tone and sustain. Nitro was and continues to be used on Martin and Gibson guitars since about the 1930s and on Fenders up until the late 1960s (Custom Shop and Reissues excepted). Many vintage guitars (Guild and Gretsch among them) have lacquer finishes, but have since moved to poly. Most modern instruments have poly or one of its variations as a finish.
Technological advances have made poly cheaper, quicker and more environmentally friendly than lacquer. Also, new techniques and advancements have allowed guitar makers to spray very thin coats of poly, overcoming the “sound dampening” effect while offering the protection of a urethane. Taylor, Larrivee and Paul Reed Smith guitars all offer non-nitro finishes and one strum can tell you that big leaps have been made in respect to poly’s tonal response over the last decade. Poly remains the most difficult finish to touch up. Short of refinishing parts of or all of an instrument, polyurethane damage is next to impossible to get to look “as good as new”. Which finish is right for you is your own personal choice.
When we begin the refinishing process, the first stage is the sanding stage. Poly or nitro requires the removal of the old finish, and the sanding of the existing surface. Often on opaque finishes, we remove the finish down to the old sanding sealer coat and re-sand the sealer coat. On translucent finishes, we remove all the finish, sealer coat included, and sand the wood. Any flaws in the sanding process will stick out like a soar thumb, so this is the most important step. Next, the sealer coat is applied to the wood and allowed to dry. If we’re doing a candy or metallic finish, the undercoat of metallic paint is applied. This stuff gets everywhere!!! We have a separate spray room for spraying metallic. Then the color coat is applied and allowed to dry. We wet sand the color coat and apply the next layers of color if it’s a sunburst. The clear coat is then applied and the instrument is wet sanded and buffed out to high gloss.
What takes a few sentences on paper can take many weeks in the spray booth.
Drying time is essential, especially with lacquer. Wet sanding is done between every dried coat and is very time consuming. The guitar still hasn’t even been reassembled and set up! Getting factory finish is very difficult for even an experienced tech. If you want a pro look, get it done by a pro. Many people have come in with guitars that “Cousin Wade” was going to refinish for them, only to get their axe back looking like a Junior High wood shop project. Refinishing is time consuming and expensive because of the high degree of experience that is required of the technician. Very few of the techs in our shop are allowed to do these repairs. It requires years of learning and experience to pull it off, but once it’s done, you will see and understand what all the fuss is about.
If you want the finish totally off, we would strip and then sand and probably put on an oil based finish. If you just want the gloss off, we would probably just sand the gloss off. Fully remove finish would run you about $150. Matte sanding the neck would be about $25.
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a under the bed 40 year old guitar?
Hi guys. I have a Godin Icon. It’s a solidbody mahogany guitar with clear polyurethane. I tried to fix some damage to the finish on the back of the guitar and I just made it worse…I sanded through the color in a couple of spots. Is it possible to spot-repair guitars with poly finishes? Is it possible to just strip and refinish the back of the body and leave the sides and front alone? Would it blend in? what would an approximate cost be for just the back? You’d have to touch up and color match the mahogany….unless the whole back is stripped. Thanks.
PS — is there any way to send you a pic of the back of my guitar so you can give me an opinion?
Jim,
Sure we can do that. As far as the aging, just let us know how far you want us to go. If you want minor checking and a yellowish clearcoat, that will work. If you have any photos you want to give us to show as an example, that is perfect. Cost on something like that usually runs around $650 depending on the amount of aging. Materials are usually around $35.
Mario,
It can be super hard to spot touch up poly. We always say that i you want the repair to be flawless, then you would want the whole back refinished. As far as blending, we usually take the finish to the edge of the side and buff/blend it in. It is hard to see the ghost line when you buff it to the edge. If you want to send photos, send it to thirdcoastguitar@ameritech.net
I have a epiphone les Paul 2011 it has a poly finish. How do I take off just the poly coat keep the paint its tobacco burst and add a nitrous finish? Please help me find the easiest and cheapest way to do this for that I am unemployed and have little money rite now but I want my guitar to resonate more, its the only thing keeping me sane so please help if you can. Thanks! Your broke friend Arthur .
Sorry Arthur, there is no easy way to do this. The finish has to be heated off and then sanded. You would never be able to peel just the poly top coat off. Your best hope would be to pull off the whole finish and finish in a clear nitro if you are looking for a straight up nitro finish.
Hi,
I recently bought a Gibson Les Paul, 2nd owner, and just noticed spiderweb scuffs around the tops edges that only penetrate the laquer finish, but are enough to annoy me. The Gibson has a beautiful Blue Flame finish, so I am considering refinishing the edges or even doing black on the edged for a blue sunburst.
What are the costs of the 2 different options, and what would the timeline look like?
Jim,
I would really need to see the guitar to give you a firm quote. We are always of a mind to try to do the least amount of earth scorching! Most of the time , you can get away with overspraying the scuff and blending in the new paint. THis usually brings the guitar to like new condition. If they are deep enough or at an odd place on the guitar, we may consider refinishing. If we are doing touch up, look to spend around $125-150. If we refinish the back and the sides, look to spend around $400
Hi, I recently bought a 1974 Les Paul. It has a natural finish, but it looks like someone removed a Bigsby tailpiece off of the top. There are some small holes in the top that were filled with what I assume is putty.
I’d like to get it refinished into a gold top and would like to get an idea of what that might cost. I live in Phoenix, so I would have to ship it to you and back. But I’d like to hear what you think.
Hope to hear from you soon,
Thanks,
Billy
We would be glad to refin in a gold top for you. Just know that if it is the original finish, then you may hurt the resale value of the gutiar by refinishing it. We can always try to plug and touch up the holes in the top if you like. Refinishing the top only for a gold top would run you about 4600. If you want the whole gutiar refinished, look to spend about $950.
I need a 1981 Les Paul Custom ( Black ) re-finished.
Cost? Time? Assurance?
Please respond .
Great article.. I recently purchased a 1955 Epiphone FT79, some hippy left his sticky goo all over it. I’d like to just get the surface right, no runs or visual sign of a bad refin. Is approaching the top with a fine steel wool or sand paper a bad idea? Is there a way to determine if the top was treated with nitro or poly? Thanks.
Try using naphtha. It is essentially lighter fluid but it should cut through the goo and it won’t damage the finish. I would be surprised if that wasn’t a lacquer finish, but if you want to check, find and inconspicuous spot, take a Q tip with a tiny amount of lacquer thinner or nail polish remover and dab it on and see if the finish reacts to it by clouding just slightly. If it does, than it is nitro, if not it’s poly. Good Luck!
Refinishing a Les Paul Custom is a little more expensive because of the multiple bindings on the guitar. Look for it to be $850 and out turn around on most refinishing is 90-120 days.
Hi- I just picked up (I’m the 2nd owner) and ’85 Yamaha SA2000 (the violin color). There is clouding under the clear coat. I was going to send it back to the owner but he’s willing to reduce the cost since I need to get it refinished. I wanted to know 2 things:
a) with this type of clouding is it necessary to completely strip and refinish the guitar?
b) if ‘yes’ to question a, how much would it cost to strip and refinish (I would probably make it black per the 335 Keith Richards Louis Vitton ad)
thanks,
Dom
Dom, The clouding under the finish is where the paint is separating from the body more than likely. It is either that or moisture trapped between the wood and the finish. That being said, the finish needs to be stripped off and the guitar refinished. That is a difficult guitar to refinish because of the multiple bindings on the guitar, and the fact that the polyurethane must be sanded off to start from scratch. A black refinish would run $900, a sunburst refinish would be $1000, and a natural refinish would be much more reasonable, around $700.
Looking to have a Gibson Nighthawk Special refinished. Want only top painted black and the rest of guitar (back and sides)natural. Finished in nitro. Price and turn around time?
Assuming the guitar is not black and needs complete stripping and sanding, look to spend about $700. If the top is already black and we are just removing finish from neck, sides and back, look to spend about $450. Turn around on most refinishing projects these days run 90-120 days.